We bring you the transcript of the interview journalist Sergei Charcyzov and Colonel General Leonida Gregorievich Ivašov according to the video that everything may not always be the way it looks ... nor history, as evidenced by secret archives KGB.

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Sergei Charcyzov: "Until recently, the greatest Soviet military analyst, Colonel General Leonid Gregorjevic Ivashov, in my opinion, wrote a great book called The World Upside Down, with the subtitle Secrets of the Past - Mysteries of the Future. In this book, he publishes materials that he managed to obtain from the secret archives of the Ministry of Defense and the KGB, if we can believe what the publisher tells us in the annotation to this book. For example, the transcript of Jakov Blumkin's interrogation is copied here, as well as many, many other documents, both in the form of photocopies and in the form of their descriptions. It turns out that the young Soviet republic has seriously addressed issues of alternative history, mysticism, ancient civilizations, and technology, and there is evidence in this book to support this. In addition, various facts are gathered here that contradict the official version of history, science and the current worldview. Of course, everyone knows the subject of the Antarctic Empire, the escape of Adolf Hitler and everything connected with it. Leonid Grigorjevic, share with us the secret where you took this information, what archives did you draw from? ”

Leonid Grigorjevič Ivašov: “The first chapter of the book concerns the origin of man and humanity, the big bang from which the chain of coincidences unfolds everywhere in the universe and here on Earth. Everything says that it happened as if by accident. You know, such an endless game. It all comes from public sources, there is esoterics somewhere. "

Charcyzov: "Today this topic is widely discussed ..."

Grigorievich Ivašov: "Yes, an increase in interests. We see that every world religion has its own theory of the origin of the world and the planet. Materialist science also has its version, but there is also a mystical-esoteric direction to this, which we cannot reject either. I am convinced that today it is necessary to combine all these three spheres of knowledge and subject them to a thorough analysis, and only then will we be able to give a more or less objective scientific-religious or scientific-mystical answer about how the universe came into being, how and why Earth, what a human being is and why he appeared. As Darwin's theory of evolution says, man appeared by chance. I assume that everything in the universe has its laws, determination, and everything that happens on Earth and with man is lawful, and all this works within a certain logic, and I would even say mathematical processes. We should start from all this when we look back at our history. How can we believe what is written about the history of mankind, when man took a stick in his hand, how not only his appearance but also his thought processes changed, and all this has happened in the last hundred thousand years? It is said that he became sensible then, he started building something and suddenly there are whole flooded cities, which are a million years old. Cities have been found in India, such as Mohenjodaro, a city that contemporary physicists have proven to have been destroyed by the use of a nuclear weapon.

Charcyzov: "Well, there is supposed to be destroyed by a powerful heat weapon ..."

Grigorievich Ivašov: "Yes, something existed before a reasonable man, and when you read the manuscripts of the Tibetan sages, it seems to me that they contain more truth than our materialistic science. That intrigued me. As for Blumkin's expedition, then it is really materials from a special archive of the KGB of the USSR. I knew something about that, and it was clear that this secret was very closely guarded by the Ministry of Defense and the KGB. There is such an example. On the occasion of one of the celebrations of the victory anniversary, the chief of the USSR Armed Forces Museum asked me to turn to Defense Minister Dmitry Fyodorovich Ustinov, for whom I was working at the time, for permission to exhibit the skulls of Eva Braun and Hitler stored in the museum. So I told him that I would try, and in the evening I turned to Ustinov and told him about the request. He loved his position and said he was not against it, but asked me what it was good for. I told him that people could actually see the skull of this villain and his girlfriend, which would attract a lot of attention and visitors. After all, it's nothing more than just showing them. He smoked a cigarette and said we wouldn't expose them because they weren't their skulls. That was the first mystery to me. However, he objected that I could not explain it in this way, that I should say that Ustinov doubted. And I said that I would find a suitable answer. That was when my first doubt arose as to why they actually kept skulls that seemed to belong to Hitler and Braun, but did not exhibit them. And suddenly I heard such an answer from a member of the Politburo and the Minister of Defense. It was in the late eighties, early nineties. It is natural that a group of people formed around the two then presidents Gorbachev and Yeltsin, especially Yeltsin, who did not intend to serve Russia, but on the contrary, this very powerful fifth column wanted to steal and destroy it. And suddenly my KGB friends called me to meet. They told me that a group of people had come, and with them such a strong woman, who had a certificate signed by Yeltsin so that they could be admitted to the KGB archives and certain materials were to be released from there. First of all, it was the results of Jakov Blumkin's expedition to Tibet in the years 1926 - 1929. Later it turned out that it was an organization called B'naiB'rith. At that time, we consulted that such materials could not be given away, but at that time, all those who had access to something like that traded with them. It was also General Volkogonov, who was the deputy chief of the main political leadership. He was a moralist who taught us communist morality, and when he became president's adviser, the first what co? He traded as best he could. And those who had access to classified information began trading with the most secret of the most secret. Well, Volkogonov was one of them. Even today, they are still honest chekists, and we simply hid it. "

General Ivašov

Charcyzov: "You did not give them away. I thought you needed copies. "

Grigorievich Ivašov: "We didn't give it to them because things just don't get out of hand. There was something from the fifth KGB Romb research center, and they also came and thank God they did exactly the same. They took it out and hid it in an ordinary garage until it was discarded. We protected them, studied them, and researched them, and when the time came, I put them in this book. ”

Charcyzov: "As for Jakov Blumkin, what a man he was. He is often talked about on television and is attributed a number of mystical abilities. We have something to think about, because he was a person who knew the Farsi language, for example (Persian, transl.). How could a Jewish boy from Odessa know him? You have a very interesting, peculiar interpretation. What do you think: what is real from his biography and what is fiction? ”

Grigorievich Ivašov: "He also got into the Soviet encyclopedia. There he speaks of him as almost the best intelligence ... "

Charcyzov: "He was the founder of the KGB."

Grigorievich Ivašov: "The reader simply does not pay attention to the fact that he has resided in five countries for two years. This, of course, is not possible. His official biography is one big lie. It says that he was the son of a shoemaker, a distant relative of Jakov Sverdlov and was also distantly related to Sydney Reilly, who was a British scout. This Jewish boy was simply taught a lot. He had no deep knowledge, they taught him everything, they prepared him as a warrior. He was a Trotsky man, and we must admit that the first stage of Soviet power was not really Russian, but was Zionist power in Russia. At that time, the greatest mobilization of the Jewish population, ie people who could read, write and speak correctly, into power structures took place. All tsarist officials tried to discredit and plunder and fill the seats with Russian citizens of Jewish descent. On the eve of the revolution, there were five thousand Jewish militant organizations, and more than thirty thousand bayonets alone were counted - these are historical figures. But when we look at the composition of the Soviet government, it was difficult to find the Russians there. "

Charcyzov: "You have a list here ..."

Grigorievich Ivašov: The same thing you see at VČK College (All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, so-called "Čeka"). - Sokolov, Antonov, Ovseenko, they are just Russians, all others are Jews, Latvians, one Armenian, Georgian. So, in essence, it was not about the Russian government. A separate OGPU section was created (Soviet secret police operating in 1922-1934 years, where they called Blumkin on Trotsky's initiative. So I want to emphasize once again that he was Trotsky's man and it was Trotsky's time. And as for those mystical things, esoterics, all those secrets, they participated in it. We all know what was done in those first years of Soviet power. It was a steamer of philosophers (steamship, on which they forcibly left the land of prominent personalities, denoted as class enemies, note translation)when it came to getting out of Russia all Russian humanists and thinkers, destroying spiritual leaders in the camps, uprooting everything Russian, but… Fighted for engineers and all scientists who were able to bring something practical. Especially when it came to the influence on consciousness or natural phenomena or the use of these natural phenomena due to their effect on humans. So these were protected so that they could use them to consolidate power primarily over the Russian nation and later over the world. As early as 1908, this financial financial oligarchy adopted the pattern of power and that is the commodity, so world power must belong to international financiers. And they tried to control all sorts of secrets. Therefore, when Lenin died, a delegation came from Tibet. Tibet's relationship with Soviet power was good. Much has been done by our physician Badmaev and other Buddhists to establish a relationship. But you know, their relationship to Soviet power was mystical. Maybe because she rejected all religions and did not recognize anything but Buddhism. Secondly, there has been a statement to the peoples of the East on equality, etc. "

Charcyzov: "Moreover, the geopolitical situation of Tibet was still quite stable at that time."

Grigorievich Ivašov: Yes. The Japanese and the Chinese, the English and, a little later, the Germans fought for Tibet. That is, many tried to control these secrets of Shambhala. And, of course, when the delegation came to say goodbye to Lenin, they declared him a mahatma, so they awarded him the highest sacred Buddhist title, and at a meeting with Dzerzhinsky they proposed sending a delegation to learn about the hidden secrets of humanity. The invitation was accepted and then prepared accordingly. This delegation was led by Blumkin. One hundred and five thousand gold rubles were set aside for the expedition, which was a huge sum. And a lot of things were really shown to them. Blumkin stayed there from 1926 to 1929, and when you look in the encyclopedia, it says that he was in Afghanistan, spoke the Farsi language, etc. In fact, he was nowhere. He was there (in Tibet). He then went to Trotsky in Cyprus, to which he handed over a significant part of the materials, and when he returned to Moscow he connected with a German resident and the lion's share of these materials, it can be said that he handed over almost all of them for two and a half million dollars. The only thing that can be taken as positive is that he did not tell him that it was all materials. The Germans therefore thought that only part of them, less important ones, had been handed over to them, while all the others were in the hands of Soviet power. So this is what Mr Blumkin did. He sold everything and did not consider Russia his homeland. "

Charcyzov: "It was cosmopolitan."

Grigorievich Ivašov: "Yes, as we are told, he has come to the daily hustle and bustle. When he got this money, he decided to go and live ... but you read Ostap Bender, did not you? (one of the most popular heroes of the picar novel in Russian literature). Blumkin also falls into this category. He wanted to go to Latin America, but he was sad, so he decided to take his mistress there, also a Jew who was a GPU co-worker. She just offered it to her. "

Charcyzov: "And she in the exchange of money ..."

Grigorievich Ivašov: "Yes, she told him how she could go if she did not have a decent dress. From under the bed he removed the suitcase and opened it to boast. Which by the way tells of his "high level and spirituality" when he boasts how much money he has. She gets a dollar package to exchange and buy what she needs ... They picked her up immediately and she said everything ... "

Charcyzov: "If you will, we will return to Hitler. Your book shows in great detail the period when Berlin was occupied, and the question arose as to where Hitler had disappeared. The bodies were found, everything is documented in detail here. After reading these facts, there is no doubt that Hitler fled. There is nothing written about his future, and I would like to hear from you the opinion of where he settled, how long he lived and how he ended up. There are various opinions on this. "

Grigorievich Ivašov: "Not only these materials were obtained by our intelligence in 1945, because already in 1943 we had reports of an accident or, in fact, the shooting down of a flying saucer, even with aliens. Little did intelligence know about the failed test of a nuclear weapon in 1944 and February 1945. The Germans drew a lot from these materials. And about the fact that Hitler had fled - the operation was so planned that our counterintelligence and medics of the Fifth Army, who occupied the bunker, checked this and asked people from Hitler's surroundings. However, the information was hasty, no thorough analyzes were carried out, but it was believed that the charred bodies belonged to Hitler and Eve. But as early as June 1945, some suspicion arose. This was no longer based on counterintelligence, but on our external intelligence. We're going to talk about all this being a hoax. Then came the order to interrogate Hitler's aides and the people around him, up to the cook, again. Then there were doubts as to why the woman who had just joined as a nurse at Hitler's dentist was a prime witness to Hitler's teeth. At that time, the jaws were brought here, and after undergoing the examination, it was clear that it was a hoax. Then Hitler's older aide and others testified that they had sent them to look around the station for bodies similar to Eva Braun and Hitler. Further analysis then showed: yes, Hitler took poison, but why is there a huge hole in the back of his head. He was either hit by shrapnel or killed by a heavy blunt object. For Eva Braun's remains, it was a presumed gunshot wound to the chest. It was already suspicious then. They kept this question secret and a commission was set up to study everything gradually. "

Charcyzov: "Where did they escape?"

Grigorievich Ivašov: "Between 1938 and 1939, our scouts who worked with the Germans, especially Captain Savelyev, a future academic who dealt with Blumkin, were in Germany. The Germans assumed that we had the lion's share of materials from Tibet and tried to draw us into joint research. And especially to the Savelyovs, they said that a cavity had been found in the Earth, where all the conditions for life were, and that a new Germany, the Neuchwabenland, was now being built there. Our intelligence focused on this and found that there was a large ship called the Schwabenland, which, like many other ships, was heading for Queen Maud's Land. Submarines sailed to her, but it was not known what they were doing next. In 1945, when maps of pilots were captured - a thousand were created in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp and all prisoners who took part in the work were shot, and there were working notes of meetings with Hitler and Himmler on the settlement of this inner cavity of the Earth. that the best people of the empire are selected there with a certain age restriction and, in addition, without the possibility of returning home. Not everything went as well as it should. This movement of people had to be accelerated, and Hitler issued simplification guidelines to speed it up. After the war, it was discovered that squadrons of more than one hundred and fifty submarines were formed, which traveled here regularly. They practically did not participate in combat operations. These were the best submarines that worked on the principle of alcohol. The Germans were starving, they did not have enough potatoes, because they were used as fuel for submarines of a special convoy of the Führer. One of the commanders was captured and taken to Moscow, where he was interrogated. Later, they received information from the Americans that the submarine U-530 had been pursued by them in the Antarctic, the crew surrendered and showed what they were carrying. They also testified that they had carried the cargo to Queen Maud's Land several times. A second submarine emerged there and the passengers and cargo were transferred. The submarine then continued according to the map of the pilots. "

Charcyzov: “These maps are also mentioned in the book. There is even data on the depths where and how to dive… "

Grigorievich Ivašov: "... and what maneuver to do, because these are very complex. There were even more interesting things - it was about not paying attention to the fact that there are cave entrances there. They were on a route about one and a half thousand miles long because the cavity was far away. Do not overlook the sounds of loud clapping there ... "

Charcyzov: "So these are not the inventions of some fanatical researchers, but the recommendation to soldiers and ship captains not to pay attention to these phenomena."

Grigorievich Ivašov: "Yes. When it was proved that Hitler had escaped, an order was issued to all kinds of our intelligence to look for him. It could be hidden and there was a presumption that it was Latin America, but it could have been in other places. In November 1945, our three best submarines set out for Queen Maud's Land and followed those maps. However, the submarine commander did not fulfill the task and was forced to issue an order to return, because the submerged submarines were attacked by unknown objects, incomprehensible weapons, which worked underwater at high speed, sharply changed the angle of attack and posed a threat. In this situation, it was decided not to continue the expedition and return. But we know that in 1947, the Americans equipped their own squadron led by an aircraft carrier, which included submarines and support ships. This expedition was led by a polar researcher, Admiral Byrd, who, by the way, taught the Germans how to control the northern areas even during the war. This squadron was attacked and little was needed for the aircraft carrier to sink. However, two or three support ships were destroyed, the submarine was damaged, and these flying objects were attacked again. They could fly both underwater and in the air, sharply change the angle of attack, increase speed and had offensive options. After that, no one tried to return to these places. But we see the interest shown in Antarctica immediately after the end of the war. This is evidenced not only by the stations we built there, but also by British, American, etc. There are clear testimonies from two crews that Hitler fled here on the U-530 submarine. "

Charcyzov: "And what about the version about living to an old age in Argentina?"

Grigorievich Ivašov: "There is evidence that large German settlements were established in Latin America as well, and around Antarctica virtually all the islands were German colonies. Yuri Ivanovich Drozdov, our illegal intelligence officer, writes in his memoirs how he swore allegiance to the Führer. He was our Soviet resident in Latin America, but he joined the Nazi group - sometime in 1948, in the XNUMXs, when he was already New Germany. He looked like an SS man and was forced to publish that he swore to the Führer. And he emphasizes that he's alive and that you'll find out soon enough. I have not seen the documents for this, and I can only trust the publicists who conducted the survey that Hitler actually lived in one of the Latin American countries. Lopes writes well about that (written in phono) who is gathering evidence that until 1964 he lived in a German colony in South America. Why right here? Well, he can live in the underground of this New Swabian, but probably not the way he used to live on the surface. He hoped that he would not go away for long, that he would return, because a future other than National Socialism was simply not possible. It was actually a symbol there. The Führer was known to be alive, and his divine inviolability was to be believed. So he actually presented himself during his lifetime and a lot of divine was attributed to him. In 1938, the generals wanted to overthrow him because they feared that he would force them to attack Czechoslovakia, which had fortified ramparts, and his army was very strong. The generals expected to be defeated, so they wanted to overthrow him. And suddenly a miracle of God happened, because the English and the French de facto gave him Czechoslovakia without a fight. He passed through Europe, then France got to his knees in three weeks, so myths about him being a man of God were circulating about him.

Charcyzov: "And in your opinion, the technologies mentioned in the secret reports, especially the weapon in Antarctica, which crushed the American and Russian squadrons, is the work of whom, whose technology is it? Do they belong to aliens or did they exist on Earth? ”

Grigorievich Ivašov: "These are technologies that existed on Earth and belonged to previous civilizations. We are not the first here. Now flying flying cars - Indian vimans - are being investigated. Vimanika Shastra represents the whole branch, whether it is science or esotericism. When contemporary designers look at it, they shake their heads in disbelief, because we haven't figured out something like that yet. It is no longer a question that nuclear weapons have been used. In my book, I ask: what is the human mind at all? What is a god? What is higher sense? If the human mind is energy, which was proved, for example, by Natalia Běchtěrevová from the Institute of the Brain, then the question arises, where do these thoughts go? Energy does not disappear, which would mean that it is structured somewhere into certain knowledge systems. And then what we call a higher mind is a collection of knowledge accumulated over many millions or billions of years. It is knowledge that accumulates and is actually a gigantic computer, and therefore everything we discover may not be new. We are simply looking for a way to enter this envelope of the higher mind, or celestial computer, and find knowledge that was already known. When something new comes up, it gets back into this common database. "

Charcyzov: "Thank you very much for the interview."